Unknown number 1.

 

There are three plants of this at Mount Edgcumbe. Two are labelled ‘Tomorrow Park Hill’, the other ‘Nuccio’s Gem’. It may be that one was planted originally and that the other two have been propagated from it. I would estimate the oldest plant to have been planted in the mid 1990’s.

It makes a spreading bush, a little wider than high, somewhat untidy. Flowering is over a long season from March to May.
Flowers are about 10cms across. Leaves are mostly 8-10cm long by 4-6cm wide. There is no colouring of the new leaves or shoots, both being plain light green.

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11 thoughts on “Unknown number 1.

  1. Hello Jim

    It looks like tomorrow park hill to me. I had one growing in my parents house,several years ago.

    However I have a similar camellia flower plant which I purchased from Tregrehan in 1994 which was supposed to be Nuccois Jewel.

    Maybe check with them to confirm identify.

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    • Tregrehan have a rare plant fair on Sunday, I will speak with them. I was mainly going on the Register description of ‘Tomorrow Park Hill’ and ‘Tomorrow park Hill Blush’ as being semi-doubles. There are also pictures in both Trehane’s and Macoboy’s books showing a semi-double bloom with a good number of stamens interspersed with petals. The Mount Edgcumbe plants have never produced stamens and are closer to formal double than semi-double. I need to compare the foliage with ‘Tomorrow’ and ‘Tomorrow’s Dawn’, both of which they have. Should have done that already.

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  2. Hello Jim, the flowers look similar in shape to my Nuccio’s Gem which is white as it should be, I notice there are many pale pink camellias displayed in google images under the name Nuccio’s gem – I wonder if the mother plant sported? Regards Ken.

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    • The foliage on this one is quite distinct from Nuccio’s Gem so I am convinced it is something different, not a sport. It is identical, in leaf and flower, to two plants labelled ‘Tomorrow Park Hill’, but again, on the basis that if that is a sport from ‘Tomorrow’, it should have the same foliage as ‘Tomorrow’, it is not that either. Unless of course, the plants of ‘Tomorrow’ are wrongly labelled.
      This is one I shall be coming back to, I WILL get to the bottom of it.

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  3. If you are still looking could it possibly be “Pink Frost” but either somewhat lighter in color due to sun exposure or soil.

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    • ‘Pink Frost’ is not a variety I have come across but is a sport of ‘Pink Pagoda’, which is in the collection. I will compare the foliage, though the Register describes ‘Pink Frost’ as silvery pink with a white border, which this variety lacks.

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      • I would not count on a noticeable “white border” like in ‘Hikarugenji’. It actually is the usual shade of pale pink with slightly deeper veins, more or less edged with white, like in ‘Duchesse Decazes’ or ‘Souvenir de Bauaud-Litou’

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  4. Sorry for my delayed response since June 5. First, let’s use ‘via negativa’–what it is not. It cannot be Nuccio’s Gem–Tom Nuccio says he has never seen a Gem go pink! The size at 10cm, roughly 4 inches for us in the colonies and the form mitigates against it being any offspring Tomorrow Park Hill all of which are listed in our Southern CA Camellia Nomenclature as ‘large to very large’ (5 inches or more) and never formal double. Are the six photos all from three bushes? Could be a sport of and/or Nuccio’s Cameo which can be light Pink to Coral Pink. Do you have any more recent photos? A long shot which I have never seen in person is “Noonie Carroll.”

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    • I’m not getting up to the park a lot at the moment so I haven’t had a chance to check out your suggestions. At some point I will and I’ll let you know if it takes things forward. Thanks for your help.

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